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"Matt Nichelson" (whoismatt) 11/22/2016 at 15:56 • Filed to: None

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You can option a 2017 CTS-V to over $111k. Dubya. Tee. Eff.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Matt Nichelson 11/22/2016 at 16:01

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Well how much can you option a M3 to?

duurtlang > Matt Nichelson 11/22/2016 at 16:01

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Where I live the CTS-V starts at the equivalent of $183k. $77k of that is gas guzzler/CO2 tax.

As a result I’ve never seen a current gen CTS or ATS in my life (in Europe).

TylerJ > duurtlang 11/22/2016 at 16:04

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Sweden?

Saracen > Matt Nichelson 11/22/2016 at 16:05

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CF body panels and a data recorder for a car that will never see a tire touch a track. So silly.

For $111k I’m getting a Panamera with a measily 2.9 liter V6.

getFuckedHerb > Saracen 11/22/2016 at 16:07

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Having ridden 4 up in a CTS-V on a road course I can say some touch tracks. Those that are bought by silly fun people.

duurtlang > TylerJ 11/22/2016 at 16:10

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No, the Netherlands.

Textured Soy Protein > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 11/22/2016 at 16:11

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$92k if you don’t dip into the BMW Individual colors & upholstery. But the CTS-V starts at $85k vs. $67k for the M3. At this point the CTS-V is more chasing the M5 anyway, which starts at $94k.

TylerJ > duurtlang 11/22/2016 at 16:12

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Oh I didn’t realize more than just a handful of countries in Europe had gas taxes. That’s no fun.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Textured Soy Protein 11/22/2016 at 16:14

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That’s more reasonable if it’s more of an M5 fighter.

Saracen > getFuckedHerb 11/22/2016 at 16:18

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Good to hear that, though like any of these that is still an extreme outlier. I do applaud that Cadillac went through great efforts to make their V models track-worthy.

duurtlang > TylerJ 11/22/2016 at 16:20

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Agreed. I could get a Prius for €25k (plus VAT) though...

I felt dirty when I said that.

TheNeonDriver - Now with More BMW! > Matt Nichelson 11/22/2016 at 16:21

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Find another 600hp+ 4 door that is less expensive.... Except the hellcat... I will wait.

Textured Soy Protein > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 11/22/2016 at 16:22

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M3/M4 = 425 hp

ATS-V = 464 hp

M5/M6 = 560 hp

CTS-V = 640 hp

PatBateman > duurtlang 11/22/2016 at 16:28

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Fuck. Socialism sucks.

PatBateman > Matt Nichelson 11/22/2016 at 16:34

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WOW. That is absolutely insane. I can’t believe that it’s $24k cheaper than a fully-spec’d M5.

Great job, Cadillac!

Matt Nichelson > Textured Soy Protein 11/22/2016 at 16:35

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Exactly. I did check the M5 for comparison. If you go bonkers it can get to around $120k.

duurtlang > PatBateman 11/22/2016 at 16:35

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Nothing to do with socialism. No gas guzzler tax on a Tesla.

Matt Nichelson > duurtlang 11/22/2016 at 16:36

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Ouch. That’s insane.

PatBateman > duurtlang 11/22/2016 at 16:38

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Yeah, EXACTLY. The commie Teslas don’t have to worry about it.

Is it socialism, or do y’all just hate American Freedom V8s?

Matt Nichelson > TheNeonDriver - Now with More BMW! 11/22/2016 at 16:38

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Yeah yeah I know. It just doesn’t seem right though.

duurtlang > PatBateman 11/22/2016 at 16:39

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A Tesla is American too you know.

PatBateman > duurtlang 11/22/2016 at 16:40

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We have commies in the US

In a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than you > Textured Soy Protein 11/22/2016 at 18:14

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E63-610

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > Textured Soy Protein 11/22/2016 at 19:31

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The dyno sheets are showing the M5 to be wildly underrated. Most are putting out something like 525whp which would be right in the area of 630hp at the crank. Same with the M3, which is putting out something around 500hp.

Tapas > Matt Nichelson 11/23/2016 at 02:45

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Sort of related rant:

I can’t understand what’s better when people compare Audi RS v/s BMW M v/s AMG v/s Cadillac V. They are quick to spout differences of 20, 30 or 60 hp and ft. lbs. of torque.

But when it comes to the actual review of how the car handles, its all metaphors and hyperboles.

What I’m saying is I don’t care if CTS V offers 600 hp, because I don’t know if that’s better. No one can explain how it (or any car) handles that power in definitive terms. Yes, its subjective but there should be like a standard checklist of specific questions for every reviewer to answer and standard answers - like how magazines list performance stats

For example -

Like does it require a lot of effort to over steer? Is it too easy to over steer?

Is the steering twitchy?

Does traction control kick in at inopportune moments? How does it kick in?

Does the automatic shift in sport mode match reviewer’s sporty driving styles - Matt explained this very well in the Merc S63 AMG Cabrio review. More of that would be nice!

pip bip - choose Corrour > Matt Nichelson 11/23/2016 at 04:56

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haven’t seen one as all are LHD. RHD needed here in Oz.

Vicente Esteve > Textured Soy Protein 11/23/2016 at 08:56

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If you don’t dip into BMW individual what are you doing?

Vicente Esteve > Tapas 11/23/2016 at 08:58

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Honestly, at those specs you really are just buying A)What you really like or B)The brand you have always bought from.

Matt Nichelson > Tapas 11/23/2016 at 09:10

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I agree. It’s not all just about powwwaaahhh. What you’re saying reminds me of one of the Merc reviews from Top Gear several years ago. The car had a ton of power but that’s really all it had.

I mean, that’s great if that’s all you want, but I want something that has a good balance of everything and can go around a corner without hitting a tree.

Tapas > Vicente Esteve 11/23/2016 at 10:48

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I’d say that behavior is true regardless of what price range you shop for cars in - for most people.

For enthusiasts who are in it regardless of the brand, idk what to do lol

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Matt Nichelson 11/23/2016 at 12:13

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No, that’s Dutch. The Netherlands has very high car taxes.